this is my current bottom-line conclusion after starting to see through the jw game 3 to 4 years ago and going through my own process of waking up.
it helps to write it down and put it "out there".
i hope it helps or resonates with you in your own personal process.. basically if i were given 10 seconds to say something to an active jehovah's witness that i cared about it would be the headline above.
xjwsrock-" Any communication would need to be direct and to multiple eyewitnesses at the same time to eliminate the possibility of hallucination, schizophrenia, etc."
Even this wouldn't prove the supernatural being was who they claimed to be. If it claimed to be the god of the bible, how would anyone know it was not Zeus playing a trick? Without omniscience no one can know for sure what any supernatural being truely is. That's if it wasn't just the result of being in a computer simulation...
So funny...
terri o'sullivan was interviewed by croydon radio for a programme called "leap of faith", it was broadcast on sunday.. she does a great job of showing how wacky and weird the jw beliefs and practices are, the interviewer asks perceptive questions, either he was well briefed by terri or he is an ex jw !.
she also gives info.
on her meetup group for xjw's, great fun !.
Terri O'Sullivan. What an amazing person.
Courteous, kind, thoughtful, very intelligent, attractive, bright, competent, stylish,(does she still do modelling?) sociable, approachable, witty and amazing fun to be around.
God bless her and the help she extends to others. A true star.
Look forward to hearing her interview later.
now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
Viv
I thought you weren't planning on hanging around?
I hope you're not going to get sucked back on this site like I have. LOL
i remember sitting on my daddy's lap and driving an imaginary car, i also remember sitting on my mummies lap on the front seat, without a seat belt whilst my dad drove a real car.
i remember we bought fish and chips from the chippy wrapped in yesterday's newspapers.
i remember bouncing up and down on my space hopper in the garden.
Stan-"i never smoked grass"
LOL! Very good.
i remember sitting on my daddy's lap and driving an imaginary car, i also remember sitting on my mummies lap on the front seat, without a seat belt whilst my dad drove a real car.
i remember we bought fish and chips from the chippy wrapped in yesterday's newspapers.
i remember bouncing up and down on my space hopper in the garden.
The Austin Maxi, Fawlty Towers, and brown grass in 76.
Oh, and Star Wars and Jaws. Don't even want to talk about Grease
the altitude problem.
mt.
everest today is 29042 feet high and i know some will say it.
I think it's important to confront issues like the flood, considering how many people believe it's true. Though I will add that it is all too easy to disprove such a myth and subsequently rather tedious.
The information that Perry put up sounds very convincing only if you don't know the facts and are ignorant to the sequence of how life developed on Earth.
The claim that there has been water over many continents, which somehow proves the Flood, sounds very impressive. This is until you realise that it's no different to today, with the Indian Ocean flowing into the Pacific Ocean flowing into the Atlantic Ocean.
It was the same many millions of years ago. The only difference is that the land mass on Earth was predominantly in the Southern Hemisphere and the Seas were predominantly in the Northern Hemisphere. All that's happened since is the location of the Seas have altered due to the movement of tectonic plates.
Enigma's video is fantastic. The factual evidence of where the fossils are in relation to Earth's strata is overwhelming evidence that the flood never happened. I laughed out loud at the point about the drowning chicken.
The only point to add to the information in the video is that if the marine fossils found in the Himalayas were evidence of Noachian flood waters, then it would stand to reason that the fossils mentioned in the video would lie underneath the evidence of the sea life that would have resulted from such a cataclysm. The huge problem with that claim is the fact that many of the marine animals found in the Himalayas were extinct many millions of years even before the dinosaurs existed.
So the absence of mammalian life buried beneath this layer of marine sediment found in the Himalayas proves beyond reasonable doubt that it was nothing to do with a biblical flood.
the altitude problem.
mt.
everest today is 29042 feet high and i know some will say it.
Perry-" Evidence 1: Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents
We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas."
If these fossils are due to a Noachian flood, why are there no mammalian fossils interspersed with the marine fossils? Where are the fossilized remains of drowned Nephilim?
Perry-" Evidence 2: Rapid burial of plants and animals
We find extensive fossil “graveyards” and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial."
So the enormous chalk deposits along the south coast of England were built up as a result of one years flood water?
Why are there no human remains found in these chalk deposits?
The chalk deposits on the South Downs are Cretaceous. The fossils found in the Himalayas are Permian at the latest. Do you know how many millions of years seperate those time periods?
Perry-" Evidence 3: Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days."
It's no surprise the places mentioned above coincide with the location of the Tethys sea.
Perry-"Evidence 4: Sediment transported long distances"
See the point above about the Tethys sea.
Perry-"Evidence 5: Rapid or no erosion between strata"
So what?
Perry-" Evidence 6: Many strata laid down in rapid succession"
Dinosaur footprints have been found on land that has been upended almost to rightangles. This proves that earths strata moves considerably over time. The fact it is still moving now indicates why earth's geology is like we find it today.
So Perry, where is the evidence that your cut'n'paste list coincides with geology from 4500 years ago?
Feel free to ignore any evidence that undermines your faith.
Perry-" I posted a picture of it here."
I can only find a picture of the earth from space. Can you check to see if your evidence is still there.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Perry-" For those still wanting to debate, please take it up with these scientists below"
When are you going to man up and debate for yourself Perry, rather than hide behind other people's bullshit?
How many times are you going to put something on here just so that you can run away before your misinformation can be challenged? It doesn't inspire people to believe that you have much confidence in what you promote.
I think you're afraid of the answers.
